Thoughts on points and pedal grabs?
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This idea has been thrown about a bit. Let me open this can of worms.
I like the current point system (easy=1, medium=3, hard=7). But there has been some good discussion about how pedal grabs can make a line easier, so maybe our system should reflect that.
There are two ways I could see this being handled.
First, whoever builds the line specifies "no pedal grabs allowed here". Or perhaps they mark the side of the structure so when the tire touches it, the line doesn't count.
Second, we change the points system to penalize pedal grabs in some way.*
What are people's opinions?
* As a side note, I'm not a fan of having the judges count pedal grabs. This can get really twitchy when people do small hops for resets. I prefer a boolean system: pedal grabs or no.
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Nice Jenni :)
The way rules are set up is how people practice. Right now, there is no incentive to go to rubber. Going to rubber is more difficult and more aesthetic.
Pedal grabs are a very important trials move.
Telling riders when they have to use or not use a pedal grab is too prescriptive in my opinion. Riders should be able to decide when to use and when to not use pedal grabs. Riders who choose to use less pedal grabs should be rewarded.
I think that training judges to watch for pedal grabs would not be that difficult as long as the organizers makes it clear what they have to do. A definition of a pedal grab would have to be crystal clear. I've seen it done in a lot at bike trials comps.
I think a 0.5 or 1pt deduction from the line would be good. Easy lines should not have the need for a pedal grab. Medium maybe 1 pedal grab a line. I think that medium lines should be scaled down in diffulty to suit this rule.
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Definitely am fully against prohibiting pedal grabs arbitrary. As mentioned in another discussion, this should be done in the line construction. I'm with Dan on this.
Either stay the same, or put deduction for pedal grabs.
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I am glad this came up - even if we don't change the rulebook regarding to pedal grabs in this committee, it is still important to keep talking about this as it might happen in the future.
I also agree with Dan, point deduction is the way to go in my opinion too. In the previous rulebook committee we came up with a concept of having a small deduction from the line's score after every pedal grab. So let's say after 1 pedal grab the score gets deducted by 0.5, after 2 pedal grabs by 1 and so on, up until a limit. With the current line scoring system, I think it could be something like this:
Easy line = 1 point if done without pedal grabs / either does not get deducted, or by maximum 0,5 regardless the number of pedal grabs done on the section
Medium line = 3 points if done without pedal grabs / deducted by maximum 1 point, so -0.5 after 1 pedal grab and -1 after 2 pedal grabs or more
Hard line = 7 points if done without pedal grabs / deducted by maximum 2 points, so -0.5 after 1 pg, -1 after 2 pg's, -1.5 after 3 pg's and -2 after 4 or more pedal grabs
This brings up a couple problems:
- What happens when a rider is doing a pedal grab, but hopping on the pedal doing correction hops to get a better placement on the obstacle? When do we count it as multiple pedal grabs? As Dan said, this has to be crystal clear. One way could be to say that as long as you stay on the same obstacle, it counts as one pedal grab. However, this would allow riders to hop on pedal all along a beam for example with having only 1 pedal grab counted.
- What if the rider stands on a tilted obstacle (let's say a tilted pallet) and you stand on the wheel, but the pedal also touches the obstacle to keep balance?
- For sure this system would require more attention from the judges and perhaps training too. It would be difficult to proceed in prelims requiring a lot of volunteers for judging, but I am sure it would be possible to work out in the finals.
- If it would also come in effect for prelims, we would need to redesign the current score cards allowing enough space to note the number of pedal grabs, and also to have enough space to take notes for re-doing lines with fewer pedal grabs.
Once again, I am not saying this has to happen now, just sharing ideas and thoughts :)
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I think that a pedal grab definition needs be as simple as possible to enforce and train judges. It needs to be straightforward and easy if we get judges on board, especially for prelims.
Proposed pedal grab definition.
Pedal Grab:
A pedal grab is defined as:
When the rider makes any contact with the bottom of their pedal with the obstacle. Riders are not limited to time. Riders can have their shoe touch the obstacle as long as the rider's foot is in majority making contact with the pedal. Once riders are complete the landing of the pedal grab, they can either choose to go to rubber or to initiate another pedal grab.
E. G. Tico Tico counts as 2 pg.
Riders can brush the sides of the pedal on obstacles.
Pedal grabbing entire lengths of skinnies will be strongly discouraged as each time they jump it counts as another pedal grab
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A system where each pedal grab reduces the score by an increasing number would definitely require the definition of when an adjustment in a pedal grab is an adjustment and when it counts as a new pedal grad, and it would require judges to be trained to keep track of that and of the points to subtract after a successful line. This would pretty much mean, no more spontaneous looking for judges just before trials begins.
A system where the riders either get full points for a line if they do no pedal grabs or a fixed reduced amount if they used one or more pedal grabs (no matter how many) would not be as punishing if pedal grabs are used, but would mean a lot less trouble for the judges, score keeping and general organisation. And clearing a line without pedal grabs would still be more rewarding than right now.
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The point of whether to count readjusting a pedal grab as multiple grabs is the main difficulty in this from my point of view but I support subtracting points to s certain number for pedal grabs.
This was the rules proposal we made last rulebook on the subject. The main opposition to it was whether judges would be able to judge pedal grabs accurately.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DfnqOT77OYoiROUCoIxjz5U394R0fyHMaAfxUs6qqm0/edit?usp=sharing
I believe the only difficulty for judges would be determining if a readjustment after pedal grabbing constitutes a second pedal grab or is just a readjustment. You cant say that a pedal grab ends when you go back to rubber as people would probably just pedal grab more so that they don't count as more pedal grabs. You could pedal grab an entire skinny
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Really good comments and I think people want to go in this direction but the logistics of training judges is a big set back.
From what we have so far, we all agree that rules need be crystal clear-especially adjustments. I think that pivoting should be allowed but as soon as the pedal leaves contact with the obstacle, it counts as another PG. So tico tico is 2pg.
I think we should try it during finals like Mark and Jenni have suggested to see how it goes. Finals has less judges and it introduces the concept to the community.
Having been in BIU and UCI trials comps, I know it is possible to train judges if it is made clear what they have to do. Judges are required to hold their hand up in a fist and as riders "dab", they count with their fingers. This shows the riderand the crowd the status of PG count. It also makes the judge easily remember the number for writing down on the score card.
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Is everyone for counting pedal grabs and a point reduction per grab?
Because I still prefer a system with two choices (and since that was Jenni's idea I might not be the only one?!)
Do the line without pedal grabs and get full points.
Do the line with whatever amount of pedal grabs and get a fixed reduced amount.
It wouldn't be as punishing for pedal grabs but still more than now.
But the big pro here is that the definition of a pedal grab is way easier since correction hops don't need to be defined, and the training of the judges is a lot less demanding, which results in still being able to still reasonably find judges spontaneously as it has happened on every trial event ever.
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Yes, sorry Ian - good point. I meant that everybody is on board with making a pg change not the specific ideas in which we do that. Your idea does make judging easier while still get a reward system for no pedal grabs.
To me not counting pedal grabs is only very slightly better than what we have now. A rider who clears a section with one pedal grab is better than a rider who uses 8 pedal grabs.
I like having a maximum amount of pedal grabs before the line isn't worth it anymore in terms of point reductions. It means that riders can't do outrageous pedal grab moves like pedal grab across skinnies with 100 pedal grabs. It also means that riders won't get lazy and pedal grab 5 pallets when they can go to rubber on 7. They will only use a PG in a situation where they absolutely need to use it to finish the line.
I think it's worth the hassle to train judges and I think trials should go in this direction. All judges have to do is count and know what a pedal grab is. I am confident that with good organization and clear communication from event organizers, this could happen
Ian and Jenni, what do you think of having a test period for trials finals? Less judges and better quality judges and then it shows the concept to the whole community? Once we have it dialled in then we move it to prelims.
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Yes, sorry Ian - good point. I meant that everybody is on board with making a pg change not the specific ideas in which we do that. Your idea does make judging easier while still get a reward system for no pedal grabs.
To me not counting pedal grabs is only very slightly better than what we have now. A rider who clears a section with one pedal grab is better than a rider who uses 8 pedal grabs.
I like having a maximum amount of pedal grabs before the line isn't worth it anymore in terms of point reductions. It means that riders can't do outrageous pedal grab moves like pedal grab across skinnies with 100 pedal grabs. It also means that riders won't get lazy and pedal grab 5 pallets when they can go to rubber on 7. They will only use a PG in a situation where they absolutely need to use it to finish the line.
I think it's worth the hassle to train judges and I think trials should go in this direction. All judges have to do is count and know what a pedal grab is. I am confident that with good organization and clear communication from event organizers, this could happen
Ian and Jenni, what do you think of having a test period for trials finals? Less judges and better quality judges and then it shows the concept to the whole community? Once we have it dialled in then we move it to prelims.
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From what we have so far, we all agree that rules need be crystal clear-especially adjustments. I think that pivoting should be allowed but as soon as the pedal leaves contact with the obstacle, it counts as another PG. So tico tico is 2pg.
2 pedal grabs for an adjustment seems harsh, but on the flip side if they didnt pedal grab they wouldnt be in that situation in the first place so I guess I see your point there.
I think we should try it during finals like Mark and Jenni have suggested to see how it goes. Finals has less judges and it introduces the concept to the community.
I agree make it for finals to get the ball rolling and make it easier to get competent judges
Judges are required to hold their hand up in a fist and as riders "dab", they count with their fingers. This shows the riderand the crowd the status of PG count. It also makes the judge easily remember the number for writing down on the score card.
Sounds good
Is everyone for counting pedal grabs and a point reduction per grab? Because I still prefer a system with two choices (and since that was Jenni's idea I might not be the only one?!) Do the line without pedal grabs and get full points. Do the line with whatever amount of pedal grabs and get a fixed reduced amount.
I don't like an all or nothing approach for pedal grabs because I feel that there are plenty of lines that are impossible without at least 1-2 pedal grabs meaning everyone gets the same points for the line. However with no benefit for limiting pedal grabs lots of riders will do many pedal grabs using them for any hop that may be above average difficulty. If you only have all or nothing then you may as well pedal grab everything so you are more likely to make it through first time and use less energy. I think the only lines it would matter on was medium lines. Not in finals
But the big pro here is that the definition of a pedal grab is way easier since correction hops don't need to be defined, and the training of the judges is a lot less demanding, which results in still being able to still reasonably find judges spontaneously as it has happened on every trial event ever.
This does make it harder however if we only bring it in for finals to start with AND we decide on a definition of what is a pedal grab I think it is a safe starting point to making implementation possible and non subjective.
One further thing to consider
Do we think "safety" may be affected in the short term by changing the rules and would we need to consider what we build for finals in response to changing the rule.
If people are all used to pedal grabbing but will get penalised for it, will we have people in finals trying to go to rubber more often without having really trained for it beore. Finals lines often get crazy big and could an increase in people trying to go to rubber to improve points on these massive lines result in bigger/worse falls in the short term.
If riders can get more points by not pedal grabbing, would we need to have a serious discussion at an event about how "hard" lines are made The lines could be ~15% easier, because going to rubber would get you more points (and rubber on a 15% easier line would possibly be equivalent difficulty of pedal grabbing your way through a 15% harder line, pedal grabbing would make the 15% easier line even easier to finish in this instance, but as long as you get less points for doing the pedal grabs it doesn't matter that you finished the lines easier with pedal grabs...
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This is an interesting discussion and not the first time that Pedal Grabs are discussed. When I read the discussion I often remember bike trials judging which sucks a lot from my opinion. I also know good bike trial riders that love our system as we don't have that - 0,5 / -1 points stuff. When I start riding, Trials was just dedicated to manage an obstacle. Nothing more and nothing less. Then we invent the skipping easy lines rule and finaly the different point system. Both inventions was good and needed, as a Trial competition is still a competition where beginners and World Champions can compete in the same run / parcours (which is great), and therefore the range of obstacles is up from super easy to super hardcore. But back to Pedal Grabs, the main question I had while rerading the thread was:
"Is a Pedal Grab a bad technic?"
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"Do we destroy the main Idea of Trials if we define a very important trials move as a bad move now?"
I never see a real big issue on well prepared trial parcours related to Pedal Grabs but maybe Im wrong. However, I'm in favour of not inventing a very complicated system with -0,5... , I think it is the first step to destroy the meaning of Unicycle Trial.
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Hi Olaf,
"Is a Pedal Grab a bad technic?"
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"Do we destroy the main Idea of Trials if we define a very important trials move as a bad move now?"
I don't think anybody is saying that Pedal grabs are not a bad technique. They are part of trials and are very important and useful. They should never be removed.
I think our idea of the essence of trials is different. For me, the most impressive and technical skill that shows total mastery of any obstacle is to go to rubber. I don't know one rider that would say that going to rubber is the same or less skill than PG. Going to rubber is more difficult and looks more aesthetic. Pedal grabs are clunky. So again, pedal grabs can push the limits of what's possible on a unicycle but going to rubber is the ideal.
The current rules gives no incentive for anybody to go to rubber other than pride. I see riders who can jump 8 pallets to rubber, pedal grab 5 pallets only because it is easier. We also see riders who pedal grab along entire lengths of skinnies instead of riding them. If you can reliably pedal grab up rails and posts, you are only limited by how high and far you can jump. A rider who jumps to posts and rails must practice that movement and every cm they jump higher to rail is even more impressive. Once you can PG to rail, you can do it in any situation that you feel comfortable in.
I never see a real big issue on well prepared trial parcours related to Pedal Grabs but maybe Im wrong. However, I'm in favour of not inventing a very complicated system with -0,5... , I think it is the first step to destroy the meaning of Unicycle Trial.
Riders pedal grabbing all lines has become such an issue that course setters are now going around it by restricting objects and "edges". I saw at EUC winter 17 and summer, and I did it as well at Unicon Korea. As a course setter, I constantly have to think about how riders will just pedal grab their way through the line and make it too easy. Pedal grabbing makes the line easier, so course setters make the edge of obstacles restricted to stop all pedal grabs. That's not really fair to riders who need to pedal grab that section. It's also not fair to riders who don't use a pedal grab in a line get the same score for a rider who used 50 (like the 3 way skinny line in Korea finals: Mark did it all to rubber, Pierre pedal grabbed the whole length - too many to count).
With a system of pedal grab reductions, it gives choice to the riders but rewards those who go to rubber. We need a system that's simple and straightforward, but also fair and pushes the sport in the direction in should go.
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I got the Idea while I never was a friend of "Style in Trial" idea :) I totaly agree that pedal grabbing along a skinn is not a serious way to do it, at least in finals. I always see pedal grabbing as a way to get up or to land on the end of a gap, never as a way to manage skins. Couldnt it be simply be forbidden for skinns?
Pedal Grabs have a long history and in the beginning it was only allowed when your feet dont touch the wood. But this works only by self judging, a judge often couldnt see the difference between a micro touch by accident or taking the control from the feet on the wood. ALso big footers had nearly no chance to dont touch the wood by physics :) Then it becomes less strict and judges had less stress to focus on that.
Anyway, I can maybe imagine a - point system in Finals but not in Prelims as I still think that the main Idea of Trial is to manage the Obstacle in some way.
However, to test it and analyize it then together with all finalist and judges while EUC or simmilar competition is maybe the best way to figure out how it works / if it works
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I totaly agree that pedal grabbing along a skinn is not a serious way to do it, at least in finals. I always see pedal grabbing as a way to get up or to land on the end of a gap, never as a way to manage skins. Couldnt it be simply be forbidden for skinns?
I think this doesn't address the problem. Dan's example was an extreme, pedal grabbing an entire skinny, however in finals, when you MUST complete lines to win (and get the same amount of points either way) riders will pedal grab anything of average difficulty as it is much easier to complete the line.
Another line in finals at Korea had the riders jump over a 1m high fence to a odd shaped log then hop from that over another 1m high fence to clear the line.One rider jumped over the 1m high fence to rubber on the log correct their balance then jump over the second fence. Another would jump over the fence landing in a pedal grab on the log, an easier landing as you have your wheel on one side of the log and half your foot on the log to help balance.
People use the easier technique of hopping around obstacles on their foot because there is no incentive not to. The suggested scoring provides an incentive not to which will probably also increase the skills of trials riders everywhere as riders get better at going to rubber to take advantage of the extra points.
We don't to force people to complete lines a certain way (which making lines that cant be pedal grabbed does) but you do want to reward riders for displaying more skill.
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I really think that if we run a systems where pedal grabs have to be count from the judge for prelims we will get problems to find qualified judges.
it may work for big comps such as Unicon and EUC but for smaller competitions, Trial ÖM ect. it will not be possible tp find enough judges.
i agree with the Idea of Jenni and Ian. Doing a Line without Pedal graps = full Points, doing a line with one or more Pedal graps = -1 Point. (not counting for Beginner lines -> useless)
And of course its not as specific as counting pedals, but its easy to handle, even for untrained judges. And it will still make a huge difference in the end result.
and Olaf is right too, the focus is on clearing the obstacle, not how.
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I think most who are suggesting points per pedal grab are thinking it should be implemented in finals only at this point.
I'm not sure whether the all or nothing approach would make a huge difference as I think hard lines usually require at least one pedal grab meaning if you know the line will definitely require at least one pedal grab for you to complete it then you may as well pedal grab the rest of the sections where you could have possibly gone to rubber just so you don't wear yourself out.
I think the adding (in finals) of points PER pedal grab will also make it a much more interesting competition as its likely you wont know who has won until the very end
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That is true Steven.
How about using the 'all or nothing' in prelims as a compromise of punishment and feasability in terms of finding judges (the shorter lines compared to finals might motivate riders to go only rubber too)
And in finals we go for points per grab.
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I like Mark his idea a lot!
Penalizing PG but only to a limited amount of PG can make the competition a lot interesting, harder and strategic.
By substracting 0.5 for every PG (up till -1 or -2) we make riders think more about whether or not to use PG and if they do need it, where to place them. It will also make the competitions even more physically challenging, because a lot of riders (myself incl.) do the first 45min with as many tire hops as possible but once the fatigue is starting to kick in I also PG a 6-7 stack (or even smaller) just because it requires a lot less effort and I prefer to save my energy for bigger hops.
The problems I see:
- Expert PG lines (lines with not enough clearance to go to rubber, e.g by making a wall with only stick of 3-4cm sticking out at 120cm height) should still exist since it also shows a skill of the rider and with this rule it would make it instant less worthy compared to other lines. This however is taking one for the team imo... it is hard to make it perfect in every situation, but with the penalizing rule we get overal a better scoring/skill level measurement.
- Definition of PG: some good definitions where mentioned above. For me most importantly a PG can not leave the obstacle without making a move to rubber or to a second PG, maybe also say the PG may not more more than +- the width of the pedal (to avoid skinny PG) and a pedalgrap is only a PG if the bottom of the PG touches the obstacle (not the side). It might take a bit more effort from the judges to learn about this rule but I think is possible for big events.
- Introducing it to the public: As already mentioned a couple of times, starting with implementing this new rule in finals would be a perfect occasion to test the new rule and get the big public used to it.
Advantages:
- Better measurement for the skill level of the rider
- Physically more challenging (can also be a disadvantage ofcourse :p)
- More strategic thinking in the competition
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From this discussions it seems like:
Finals only: This rule would only be implemented for finals at first because of complications in prelims with unskilled judges and riders.
Define PG: We still need to get a clear definition of what is a pedal grab (PG)
Deduction: We still need to get consensus on how many points to deduct, 0.5 per PG / -1 if PG / etc.
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I have created a new discussion for the definition of pedal grab (PG), you can find it here
http://iuf-rulebook-2018.committees.unicycling-software.com/discussions/26
I think the deduction can't be decided until the definition of PG is set as it will greatly influence how the deduction will work and vice versa.
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Seems like we're pretty well off now with the definition. Meaning that a reposition of a pedal grab would only count as 1 deduction.
How many deduction points per PG?
0.5, 1, 2?
How many points maximum per line can be deducted?
1, 2, no maximum?
Finals only rule
This already was agreed on that it would be only implemented in finals due to the complexity of it in prelims.
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I was thinking 0.5 points per pedal grab (assuming repositioning/fixing balance in one place doesn't count as new deductions) and 2 maximum. Meaning you get 4 pedal grabs before you are getting 5 points for a hard line. I think watching some videos of landed trials lines and see how many pedal grabs are completed vs how many are avoidable would give a good indication of scoring.
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Yo trials riders we've done the hard part lets finish this off with a proposal so we havent wasted our time.
0.5 points per pedal grab with maximum deduction of 2 points?
We need to make finals lines be considered "hard" lines meaning that you get 7 points for completion for this to work (currently you get judged 1 point for each line)
But that will mean you get 5-7 points for each line in finals. Seems fair enough?
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During prelims I think -2 max seems perfect but for finals maybe max 2.5 deduction points?
With the low amount of lines in the final I think a reduction of max 2 points won't penalize enough.
For example:
Rider A does does 6 lines pure tire hopping with 3PG: he gets 42-1.5= 40.5points
Rider B does 7 lines, 3 pure tire & 4 (pure) PG: he gets 21+20= 41points,
in this case rider B wins with 1 line more but also with at least 16PG compared to 3 PG of rider A ...
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This would would not be implemented in prelims!! Only in finals.
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I agree Steven, 5-7 Points for a Hard Line in Finals is perfect. And as there will not be any medium Lines in the finals we could also say it's 1-3 Points...
I really don't care if it's 5-7 or 1-3....
I like that rule! Let's get this Proposal done 👍
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As this rule is only in Finals and in finals there is no difference in the points of the lines we could also make full point deduction
Example:
Line done Without PG: 5 Points
Line done with 2 PG: 3 Points
Line done with 4 or more PG: 1 Point
Thoughts? Or would you like to keep the 7 Points for a Hard Line?
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I like the 0.5 deduction. I see this more as a test period and we can fine tune the numbers after next unicon once we see it run. It's a minimal risk for us as it is only in finals with a very small deduction currently. I think this is the best way to introduce to community before implementing it in prelims (if we decide it's possible or not). I vote we keep 0.5 max 2 point deductions in finals.
I like Tim's definition and I think it needs to be part of the PG deductions proposal.
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Ok I think most pretty much agree on 0.5 deductions and maximum of 2 points deduction.
Christian Eder is right we may as well just call finals lines worth 3 points for completion with up to 2 points deduction meaning 1 point if you pedal grab =>4 times. I will write up a proposal WITH the pedal grab definition combined
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One more thing.
If you get 1 point on a line and think you can do better you should have the opportunity to recomplete the line and if you do it with less pedal grabs your BEST completion of the line will be recorded.
E.g. I complete the line with 5 pedal grabs, realise that only gets me 1 point, I think I could probably do it with two less pedal grabs, I should have the option to try and complete it again to get the extra points.
Do we all agree on that?
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I cant make a proposal on this as I am not the director.
Here is example proposal
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12B.5.3 Scoring Points
The course is divided in different sections of easy, medium and hard lines. Easy lines are worth one point, medium lines are worth three points and hard lines are worth seven points. The objective is to score as many points as possible by successfully riding (“cleaning”) sections within the specified time period. Difficulty Points Easy 1 point Medium 3 points Hard 7 points
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12B.5.3 Scoring Points
The preliminary course is divided in different sections of easy, medium and hard lines. Easy lines are worth one point, medium lines are worth three points and hard lines are worth seven points. The objective is to score as many points as possible by successfully riding (“cleaning”) sections within the specified time period.
Preliminary Round
Difficulty Points
Easy 1 point
Medium 3 points
Hard 7 points
During finals, completion of a line with zero pedal grabs will be worth three points. A deduction of 0.5 points will be made for each pedal/crank grab used within the line attempt, with a maximum of two points deducted i.e. 4 pedal grabs.
Final Round
Base Amount 3 points
Number of PedalGrabs Used for Completion
1 2.5 points
2 2 points
3 1.5 points
=>4 1 points
A pedal/crank grab is defined as the rider placing their weight on an obstacle through the bottom of the pedal/crank which is in contact with the obstacle (see 12B.5.4 Definition Of “Cleaning”).
A pedal/crank grab is considered complete after a clear takeoff by pushing through the pedal/crank and not though the tyre.
The pedal/crank may be re-positioned during a pedal/crank grab without being considered a new grab as long as the pedal does not move more than the width of the pedal away from the initial position on the obstacle. i.e. traversing an object in continuous half pedal width grabs will result in multiple pedal/crank grabs recorded.
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12B.5.5 Multiple Attempts
Riders may attempt any problem multiple times until they succeed or decide to abandon the section. However, it is not possible to earn additional points by cleaning a section more than once, and no points are awarded if the rider does not clean the entire section.
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12B.5.5 Multiple Attempts
Riders may attempt any problem multiple times until they succeed or decide to abandon the section. During preliminary rounds, it is not possible to earn additional points by cleaning a section more than once, and no points are awarded if the rider does not clean the entire section. During finals a rider may recomplete a line with fewer pedal grabs to receive a higher score. Only the rider’s best result at each line will be recorded.
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I can't make this into a proposal as I am not director
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Thanks Steven!
I like your proposal :)